Archery scopes

[SHADE]

Hi all, I am interested in checking out a moving sightmount and a scope to go onto it. I suppose I will need a clarifier as well.

My question is with all you indoor shooters would be what type and who sells em?
I may end up using it outdoors as well, who knows. I am getting closer to telling myself I want (Not need) a second bow for targets.

[MOPARLVR4406]

I use only SureLoc
sight bars and scopes
the Black eagle scopes are Swaro optics and totally unbeatable for detail and clarity
.5d is about the best all round (approx 4-5x depending on draw length)
my normal is a .5d 42mm
I have a 42mm .6d that is about 6x at my DL
and a 29mm 1.0d (10x) for vegas targets
(these are all on a 9" 500 bar)

I just bought a SpottHogg HoggIt sight that has lense capabilities
they use a Feathervision lense ....nice but not a Swaro.

SureLoc has a dioliper chart on their website that can give you an idea of power vs dioliper at specified distance from the peep

as for clarifiers...low power doesn't usually need one
specialty archery products make the best for the superball peeps
some proshops have a "stick" with all the clarifiers and verifiers that someone holds in front of your peep sight at draw to see what is best at your length.
for my .5d I use nothing
.6d requires a 1/16th yellow
the 1.0d requires a 1/16th red

[Doc X-Moves]

Jim is right about the quality of the Swaro lens. 2nd to none. They are very expensive though.

A common mistake that people make is that they start with too much power. This translates into excessive motion, translates into target panic and punching of the trigger. This makes for an unhappy archer.

Start off with a 4X scope, depending on your eyesight, either no clarifier and a small peep size or a #1 (Yellow) clarifier will sharpen the image for you. I'd suggest the largest fiber optic "up-pin" if available or use a dot-kit and put on a large circle (this is pain-staking work) that covers the entire white and blue of a 5-spot NFAA target. You can always narrow the circle, but to prevent TP and "drive by" shooting, put a bigger circle on and like the Ron Popiel chicken cookers: "set it and forget it" concentrating on the X while pulling and pushing. Set your sights on the X, then quit aiming, look at the X and shoot good form.

The cool thing with the Sureloc telescoping sight bar is that you can experiment for the sharpest (or fuzziest) image by holding at full draw and having a friend slide the bar in and out until your picture is how YOU like it. The big difference between the "Supreme" and the "Challenger" model is with the supreme sight, you can push a little button and slide the scope for large yardage changes. This is handy for 3D or Field shooting. For indoors, the microclicks on either sight are sufficient.

For 3D, you will want an up-pin and as large of a scope housing as possible, not a circle or a Tru-spot lens.

Look on AT classifieds, there's always good buys there and is a good place to start. Specialty archery, Viper, Schrewd, and TruSpot are good products and much less $$ than the Swaro.

[SHADE]

Thanks to both of you.
I did get to check out a 4x with a yellow clarifier and it had just a light green dot in the middle of the scope.
I currently aim with the six o'clock position for my pin I will check it out and see what I might end up with.
I am pretty sure that this will lead to a bow with a longer axle to axle as well, sooo this should be fun to talk the wife into...lol


For those of you who are thinking it, she actually notices it when I get new arrows. Even if they have the same fletchings as the ones already there... I guess she can count.

[MOPARLVR4406]

Bob....
don't fall into the ATA trap
for years I shot all 41"+ ATA bows and since the ProElite
had issues I have gone from a 43"ATA bow to a 33"ATA
and shoot it better than I ever shot the longer bows.
Consider Vbars or some sort of side stabilization rather than
a longer ATA if you shoot what you have well.
I still use my LONG stab in the front and lowered the center of
gravity with 10degree out/45degree down bars with counterweights
to balance the scope and it is solid as a rock. Played with the tiller a bit
to flatten the draw and I am back in the 58X club again.
I was so engrained in longer is better I was closed minded about trying
shorter until forced to do so.
In essence if you shoot what you have well...don't change...
just modify it to do what you want it to do.
(it's alot cheaper that way)

[Greywolf]

I like to see the tricked out guys at the 3-D shoots, pull their bows look through a 10X scope, shoot, then pull up their 8X binos..... to look where they hit..............

[MOPARLVR4406]

So true !!
and with a10x you cant see the rings inside 30

[SHADE]

I slapped arrows most of the day with the two guys I shot with that used those scopes and the big stabalizers. They beat me by 12? I cant say that I would really need a longer bow then, maybe just a new to me setup for targets? I like the way the sight adjusted for range and the way it magnified the target zone so I could actually see it.
I was typing this out and I had a thought that hit me like a brick though.

I have been shooting for a little over two years. With those two years I am actually in the top ten in most of the matches that I am in for the class I shoot in now. What the heck do I really expect from myself? I no longer get to shoot the 300 something arrows I was shooting every day, but still enjoy any day I can get out to fill the sky with holes...

I fletch the arrows I chose for my bow, cut them to the length I chose, tips I chose. The bow has Prostrings installed by me, the rest the sight and peep are all installed set and tuned by me. I still have a bunch to learn, and so much more to do. Is it really that important to get a high score or am I being just silly? Whatever I do, I try to do to the best of my ability. Might be I just need more practice and humility....

[Greywolf]

Did you get the PSE bow put back together ? Maybe you posted and I missed it.

Just wondering...

[SHADE]

Nope having a small issue with the small washers/wheel/pin and my eyes. I need stronger glasses...
I will go try it again now...

[Doc X-Moves]

Is it really that important to get a high score or am I being just silly? Whatever I do, I try to do to the best of my ability. Might be I just need more practice and humility....

For some, yes, but I bet for you (and me) it's not that important to win a match or tournament. I would love to just place in the first or second flight sometime.

I think that it's about having fun and setting a new and interesting goal for yourself. The cool thing with archery is that you can be pretty accomplished and polished with a compound bow and not hit water from a floating boat with a stick bow or recurve. (My case.) There is ALWAYS another personal challenge around the corner. Those challenges are also opportunities to try new things, buy new toys and expand our horizons and abilities.

Jim is on a quest for that 300/60X game and is excruciatingly close. I'm still searching for the key to turn off my brain to get 300's consistently -- I'll worry about how many X's later. You're trying something new and it's opening you to the possibility of getting a new bow. (May I recommend: Vantage Elite, Pro Elite, Protec) If your draw is 30 or less the 2000 limbs are just fine. Go for it!!!